(no subject)
Feb. 25th, 2008 06:03 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
phineasjonesi've been thinking these random, half-formed thoughts about bandom women in fic and i want to share them. this is not an essay or a rant or anything nearly that organized. it just sort of hit me what my issue is after i'd been mulling for a while.
i don't read very much m/f or f/f fic so i already know as i write this that i don't have a very strong leg to stand on. and i don't want to give any examples because my point isn't to pick on anyone. i've just noticed that as a whole, the female characters in bandom fics seem to be somewhat unrealistically cool.
i think we treat them differently than the boys and i think it's less interesting. ok, i can believe a superhero-like awesomeness in lyn-z. there's something about her, man, imo she might just be that cool. but alicia, jamia, vicky-t, greta, even ashlee... they all seem pretty normal-cool to me. awesome in a way similar to how the band boys are awesome. but in fic, they don't seem to be treated that way. they are so often perfectly understanding or tough as nails or supremely confidant. which to me is... really kind of boring.
i mean, what gets me into a character is usually her or his weaknesses, those insecurities that create the drama and conflict of a story. and bandom is amazingly good at creating and portraying those characters - for the boys. and even for the boys-as-girls. i don't feel like genderswap fic has this problem.
maybe it's just because the women in this fandom, much as we love them, are not the main event (i'm sure they are for some people, but honestly, not most of us). so we just don't know as much about them. they haven't explained their foibles to us in a slew of incredibly personal interviews. so then maybe we end up using them not so much as characters as... plot devices? foils? if they ever are presented negatively in fic, it seems that it's only when they call the boys on some shit, so the boys don't want them around for that reason. which means they're still perfect, just annoyingly so.
(i suppose there is another female presence in fic - there seem to be a lot of stories where the panic boys are cheated on and/or dumped "off-screen" by their gfs. but those aren't actual characters, they're plot devices pure and simple.)
or is there some other reason? is it, like, some kind of feminist guilt over spending so much love on these boys? we can't dare to let the women be interestingly flawed? or does the feminist guilt make us include them - even when we know we're only really going to spend time for character development on the boys?
i really don't know. i'm just thinking about it. anyone else have thoughts to share? maybe some recs of fic with interesting bandom women?
i don't read very much m/f or f/f fic so i already know as i write this that i don't have a very strong leg to stand on. and i don't want to give any examples because my point isn't to pick on anyone. i've just noticed that as a whole, the female characters in bandom fics seem to be somewhat unrealistically cool.
i think we treat them differently than the boys and i think it's less interesting. ok, i can believe a superhero-like awesomeness in lyn-z. there's something about her, man, imo she might just be that cool. but alicia, jamia, vicky-t, greta, even ashlee... they all seem pretty normal-cool to me. awesome in a way similar to how the band boys are awesome. but in fic, they don't seem to be treated that way. they are so often perfectly understanding or tough as nails or supremely confidant. which to me is... really kind of boring.
i mean, what gets me into a character is usually her or his weaknesses, those insecurities that create the drama and conflict of a story. and bandom is amazingly good at creating and portraying those characters - for the boys. and even for the boys-as-girls. i don't feel like genderswap fic has this problem.
maybe it's just because the women in this fandom, much as we love them, are not the main event (i'm sure they are for some people, but honestly, not most of us). so we just don't know as much about them. they haven't explained their foibles to us in a slew of incredibly personal interviews. so then maybe we end up using them not so much as characters as... plot devices? foils? if they ever are presented negatively in fic, it seems that it's only when they call the boys on some shit, so the boys don't want them around for that reason. which means they're still perfect, just annoyingly so.
(i suppose there is another female presence in fic - there seem to be a lot of stories where the panic boys are cheated on and/or dumped "off-screen" by their gfs. but those aren't actual characters, they're plot devices pure and simple.)
or is there some other reason? is it, like, some kind of feminist guilt over spending so much love on these boys? we can't dare to let the women be interestingly flawed? or does the feminist guilt make us include them - even when we know we're only really going to spend time for character development on the boys?
i really don't know. i'm just thinking about it. anyone else have thoughts to share? maybe some recs of fic with interesting bandom women?
(no subject)
Date: 2008-02-26 01:30 am (UTC)it's also something that happens/is used in some fic about the boys -- i'm thinking specifically of every single fic ever about jon walker i have ever read.
(no subject)
Date: 2008-02-27 07:37 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-02-27 07:40 pm (UTC)of course, as soon as one of the women is slandered in a fic, i click away, so i haven't read any of the ones where the women suck -- and in the same vein, i don't think i've really read any of the 'superhero' type fics.
what i hate is when anyone -- female, male, trans, whatever -- says, "don't you know that you're in love with X?" to me that's just bad writing, ugh. just call me ranty mcrantpants!